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71 homens mais rápidos do mundo: 1 branco Christophe Lemaitre & 70 pretos. Será que as raças são desiguais?


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  1. #1 by Bootlegger on 03:53 PM - 03:53 PM

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    The question is correct, but misinterpreted. All “races” are not equal, some are shorter and some are longer than others, some are on smooth tracks and others up and down hills.

    Rushton is a pseudo-scientist and a first-order racialist. I’m sure the Caucasoid’s evolved intelligence is what makes them such fast middle-distance runners and so good on bicycles at the Tour de France.

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    • #2 by admin on 03:58 AM - 03:58 AM

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      Dear Bootlegger: the bicycling comment is interesting. My personal hunch is that the bicycle racing issue is cultural. I suspect that Kenian marathon runners would have great chances in professional bicycling if they ever started large scale promotion of long distance bicycle races.

      Bootlegger, do you have any other data where you can point out a 70 to 1 advantage in favor of one race? I suppose not.

      Now Rushton does 2 things: a) he simply compiles facts, like results of surveys on intelligence, running capacities, fast twitch muscles, testosterone levels by race, etc. b) Rushton’s theory of r and K selection makes a plausible connection between the survey results. Intelligence and running are not directly connected, but via the short time e vs. long time mating strategies. If Rushton’s theory were wrong, the facts still remain

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  2. #3 by Jack on 12:34 AM - 12:34 AM

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    Sub-saharan Blacks have an average 70 iq. Look it up, the research was done by a guy named Richard Lynn. He also shows that Blacks best average iq is only 85, once you give them a nice, white environment to grow up in. You blacks can have the running, though M. Lemaitre seems pretty fast even compared to the other never-built-a-civilization Blacks running beside him, and us Whites will take the problem solving and civilization building abilities.

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  3. #4 by angela on 12:06 PM - 12:06 PM

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    Whites will take the problem solving and civilization building abilities? Yeah, like how they have solved Iraq and Afghanistan for how long now?

    The idea that blacks are more prone to crime is laughable. Jim Crow Lynching, the Tulsa Race Riot, the Holocaust, the Crusades, the Vikings, the Roman empire, The Macedonian Empire, the African slave trade, World Wars I and II, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the stolen land and near genocide of the Native Americans…so on and so forth.

    White people, particularly the British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch, sailed all over the world spreading diseases (first unintentionally, then intentionally) that decimated populations wherever they went – especially in the western hemisphere.

    As for “never built a civilization” BS, go look up Great Zimbabwe for example.

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    • #5 by admin on 03:33 AM - 03:33 AM

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      @Angela: All this is statistic. Its effect is reasonably strong, but you cannot say anything like all Whites are intelligent and non-criminal. It is just a tendency.

      I remember a Brazilian Girl in Germany. She said: “all are white here, you cannot even know who the robbers and criminals are”

      It seems that Blacks had their share of wars, with their neighbors. They just did not have the technology and planning to invade other continents. At least nowadays, Africa is constantly engulfed in smaller wars and civil wars.
      But again, I am not a history expert to give you definite answers.

      Basically, you cannot refute the vast amount of research quoted by Rushton with some anecdotal evidence, with stories. Scientific research needs scientific argument and scientific research as refutation.

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  4. #6 by AB on 05:39 PM - 05:39 PM

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    Again I suggest that one reads the book “Genius Explained” by Michael J.A. Howe.There is a problem with equating running,which is a fairly simple act,with intelligence,which is fairly complex.It could be that people of west African origin have a slight muscle advantage.Similarly,it is possible that people of European or east-Asians have slight working-memory advantage.But intelligence as a whole is still far more complicated than that.And there are various computer programs that can score 160+ in an IQ test.So that alone questions the credibility of IQ as a valid concept.

    Rushton is not a credible scientist at all.He has all kinds of political agenda behind his research.Richard Feynman used to dislike these kind of social sciences as these are largely pseudo-sciences.Watch up Feynman’s interviews or google up “cargo-cult science”.Flynn too has studies that show that blacks are actually closing in on whites in IQ terms.

    And Jack,when blacks are given early intellectual stimulation they do score around 100.The problem is these stimulations usually last only a few months-not enough to maintain it in adulthood.The living standard and literacy of the average american blacks is far lower than the average white. And remember envoironment =/= experience.Ultimately it is the person’s experience that has the effect,not environment.

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  5. #8 by admin on 06:00 AM - 06:00 AM

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    @AB The point about running is that it shows that race is not skin deep. It shows that races are different, in some aspects. In that case, the African races are superior in running ability. Not extremely superior, but at the extreme end of the “Bell Curve” a clear difference can be found.

    I checked one of your links.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science

    Most of anthropoligical crap (sorry for being blunt) does not even deserve that term “cargo cult”. It is non science. Anti Science. Like saying “race does not exist” or is only skin deep.

    Or is Rushton lying that any forensic specialist can tell the race of a person from a single bone, or at least from some bones?

    Did you read Rushton? He does and cites hundreds of serious studies. Very rarely does any of his opponents try to discredit his studies with facts and studies. I think Nisbett is about the only one.

    Maybe Rushton gets help from slightly dubious societies (but it seems these are maligned unjustly). But he is unjustly persecuted, and which “normal” association will fund his research? His research is being repressed by all means, not disproven by serious objective science.

    Read some of the free literature cited in other race and intelligence posts on this site.

    By the way, I am aware that I have so many taboo topics, and rarely someone agrees on all. I see you agree on other taboo topics of mine, let us focus on that.

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  6. #9 by AB on 06:50 PM - 06:50 PM

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    OK I will try to stick to other topics,if that is what you desire.However,I will try to explain my point this time.

    First of all I hate censorship and I agree that whatever happened to Jim Watson is wrong.
    However,just because a research is politically incorrect,it doesn’t make it scientifically correct.In fact,the results of this study are quite popular,from what I can see,despite being PC.

    Most geneticists will tell you that a simple classification of races based on skin colour is meaningless.Have you seen a population-genetics lecture?Yes,genetic branching does exist according to geography,but a simple black and white notion of race is utterly false.In Africa alone they have the world’s tallest tribe,as well as the shortest tribe.

    Rushton and Lynn cited many studies.That’s true.But why I call it cargo-cult science is because they never bothered to double-check those.Some other people did double check some of those studies and found some massive holes.For example they published the IQ of aborigines as around 60.It came from a single of study of few subjects who were seeking treatment for mental retardation.You call that science?Rushton is also hell-bent on certain assumptions.For example he claims that IQ is completely upto genes and nutrition.There is absolutely no evidence for such a claim.(IQ correlates highly to literacy and lack-of -microbial-diseases).He is concluding too many things from his largely unverified data based on all kinds of unproven assumptions.In general,he tries to appeal more to common-sense than to reasoning.That is precisely what cargo-cult science is.There are all kinds of over-simplifications involved.

    Genes do not determine complex behaviours in such a simple one-to-one way.There is no single gene for ‘sense of humor’,for example.Genes and environment interact highly to produce results.There are also epigenetic factors involved.

    Secondly,I don’t get what a study of average has to do with a indivual performances.Only 70 people in the history have run faster than Lemaitre.The vast majotioty of blacks can’t even come close to match lemaitre.Lemaitre,on the other hand,is merely 0.4 seconds shy of bolt.That’s a pretty small amount and only 25 years ago would be a world record.May be one of the reason for this gap is that too many whites are going to other skillful sports?And may be the same applies to blacks and IQ?

    And I can’t see how a study of AVERAGES is going to help someone.I can see, however,many ways in which harm can come due to people with nasty political agendas and due to stereotyping.I am a very strong believer in individual merit and a strong hater of stereotyping.I believe in kindness,empathy ,tolerance, forgiveness,freedom and privacy.

    To me whites trying to bring “dumb” blacks on track is a bit similar to feminists trying to bring “evil” men on track.Being a man myself,I would find it very insulting to suggest that I am evil because men on the average commit more crimes,statistically.

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  7. #10 by AB on 07:05 PM - 07:05 PM

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    Sorry,25 years ago it won’t be world record,but pretty close.45 years ago, it would be.

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  8. #11 by AB on 07:27 PM - 07:27 PM

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    Oh and 1 last thing ,while a lot of people make a lot of noise about brain-size,some people think that the biggest advantage that human beings have is not the large brain,but an opposable appendage(thumbs) and the highly developed vocal track to communicate.Both are indirectly possible because we walking up straight.

    Remember,whales and dolphins have larger brains than us.Chimps and bonobos,actually surprise us in certain tests of originality,despite having much smaller brains .

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  9. #12 by Taki on 09:05 PM - 09:05 PM

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    And there are various computer programs that can score 160+ in an IQ test
    And who built that computer and wrote the program?
    Another thing, most of ther so called “blacks” in the US are actually mixed breeds which explains their higher IQ.

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  10. #13 by admin on 01:23 PM - 01:23 PM

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    http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/olympics.html
    why black will beat white at the olympics
    new statesman, 18 september 2000

    you’ve probably got more chance of winning the lottery next Saturday than a white man has of even making it to the final. The last time that a white athlete participated in an Olympic 100m final, Jimmy Carter was still in the White House. And the last time a white athlete held the 100m world record, Khrushchev was ensconced in the Kremlin. Over the past decade, the 10 second mark in the 100m has been broken 200 times – but not once by a white athlete. Nor is it just at the 100m that whites are so noticeably absent. Every men’s world record at every commonly-run track distance from 100m to the marathon now belongs to a runner of African descent.

    Nor is there any respite for white sportsmen away from the Olympics. In 1950, the American Basketball Association was almost entirely white. Today it is 80 per cent black; among the stars the figure rises to 95 per cent. Sixty per cent of American footballers are black. France won the football World Cup and Euro 2000 with a team in which more than a third of the players were black. In boxing, the two world heavyweight champions – Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield – are black; there is not a single serious white contender for their crowns.

    Very interesting. Even though a couple of white Ukrainians won heavywheight championships, the black superiority in running aind fighting sports is clearly demonstrated.

    The top 60 times in the 3000m steeple chase are all held by Kenyan athletes, who also hold more than half the top times at 5000 and 10,000 metres. Kenyan men have won the world cross-country championship every year since 1986. At the Boston marathon, often considered the world’s premier event, Kenyan men have not lost since 1990.
    Very interesting. But then, Malik needs to somehow find an argument to satisfy political correctness
    According to Entine, East Africans are naturally superior at endurance sports, West Africans at sprinting and jumping, and ‘whites fall somewhere in the middle’. But if East and West Africans are at either end of a genetic spectrum of athletic abilities why consider them to be part of a single race, and one that is distinct from whites?

    Without studying the literature, I still am pretty confident, that East and West Africans are genetically closer then they are to Japanese, Russians. Not just in skin color.

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